There was no formula other than have fun and try to make something out of nothing. [Hopps] came together really organically and naturally. Kinda like when you force a trick and it doesn’t feel right. No matter how much you force it, something’s just doesn’t click. It’s when you don’t try so hard or when you allow it to be spontaneous it feels natural. That’s how a lot of this has happened.

Jahmal Williams speaks to Josh Stewart at Theories of Atlantis.